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Post by Child of Immanuel on Feb 13, 2005 10:37:06 GMT -5
But the States never had monasteries... we have no history before the 1600s!
If I'm going to take a class on monkishwriting, I want it to be in an authentic place.
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Post by twyrch on Feb 13, 2005 17:45:32 GMT -5
But the States never had monasteries... we have no history before the 1600s! If I'm going to take a class on monkishwriting, I want it to be in an authentic place. True, our history is not as long, but there are Monks and Monisteries around. Check them out online... maybe one of them still uses this method. I seem to think of one not far from Dale, Indiana that still utilizes this technique.... |
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Post by Riothamus on Feb 13, 2005 19:49:18 GMT -5
I'm currently working on publishing a few copies (for family and friends) of my Arthurian poetry cycle in the old-school set-typed way, hand-stiched bindings, leather/cloth covers, and gilted pages. It's really fun to do. That's incredibly cool.  |
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Post by dinadan on Feb 13, 2005 20:49:33 GMT -5
I'm glad you approve.
I'm not capable of monisk script (I wish I were), so I'm relying on type-set presses. The problem is finding one that I can use, or even affored to get things printed on if I can't do the work my self. If I can get it the way I want it, I'm planning on using a font called "Junius Modern" which is based on the "Junius" set type from around the 16th century. I'd use the original, but most people these days would find it too hard to read with the long "s" that looks like an uncrossed "f" and the "w" looking like a not-quite connected "p."
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Post by Riothamus on Feb 13, 2005 23:02:05 GMT -5
So, (not to derail the thread too badly,) how does one go about hand-binding books? As a bibliophile, this interests me greatly.
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Post by twyrch on Feb 14, 2005 0:20:37 GMT -5
So, (not to derail the thread too badly,) how does one go about hand-binding books? As a bibliophile, this interests me greatly. Is this the type of binding which makes the edges of the pages rough instead of smooth? I've always loved books which had the unfinished edges on the pages. |
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Post by dinadan on Feb 14, 2005 0:33:49 GMT -5
Well, you can leave the edges of the books untrimmed in you like, twrch, however that would make them impossible to gild.
As to Riothamus' question...first you'll need a few supplies. You'll need somekind of thread to bind the books; I suggest waxed nylon thread (not authentic, but much easier to work with and will as almost forever). You can buy it as thick as you're willing to work with. You will also need bookbinder's needles, which you should be able to find at any good craft store. For hardcover books, you'll need backing board, between 5mm-7mm thickness. Any thinner and it'll bend when you apply the glue, and thicker and you'll never be able to cut it properly. You'll want to cover it with something--decorative papers and cloth are really easy. To stick these to the boards, you'll need to use a medium viscosity PVA glue (here's a tip I learned the hard way: cover the whole board in glue before you apply the covering--it works so much better).
Once you have the boards made, and the pages you want to bind, place them all together and lined up on the end you are going to bind and secure this together with clamps. Now, you can try to sew this the hard way, which is taking the needle and thread an punching it through, or you can use a drill and the smallest drill bit you can find and pre-drill your holes. The latter method works much, much easier. Then you stich your binding...it'll take you some time to learn to do it the right way get the thread back to the hole that you started on. (Also, here's a tip, use an odd number of holes...it makes getting back where you started from easier.) Then, you'll want to take a piece of the cloth that you had left and fashion piece to cover over your stiching job, and attach that to the boards. This is easily done with superglue, although if you want to be authentic, you'll have to sew it in (and pre-drilling on this doesn't work out so well).
I realize this is not extensive, but I don't think this is something you can learn without seeing it done--or, at least, without illustrations.
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Post by Riothamus on Feb 14, 2005 9:35:00 GMT -5
Thanks. That's fascenating
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Post by dinadan on Feb 14, 2005 10:24:02 GMT -5
It's really fun; I wish there were some way of transmitting to you how to do it. As I said, it's becoming something of a lost art.
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Post by Adam on Feb 14, 2005 17:03:22 GMT -5
It isn't hard to learn to do, although I learned in Ireland as part of class that was designed to sort of simulate monk-scribing the the middle ages. I'm not sure where you would find "how-to" guides or anything. I would love to have a go at this. Can you give me a link to the place you found? I love anything to do with crafting I started of my working life making stained glass windows. |
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Post by dinadan on Feb 14, 2005 18:41:01 GMT -5
I learned to do this as part of a class I took last year; it was a creative writing class that spent two weeks in Ireland, and two weeks learning the techniques necessary to hand-make books out of the pieces we created. As such, I can't really give you a link to anything. It was a speical program of my university last year.
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Post by Adam on Feb 16, 2005 15:08:41 GMT -5
Oh well. Thanks anyway
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Post by smitke on May 30, 2005 23:40:11 GMT -5
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Post by twyrch on Jun 3, 2005 9:02:47 GMT -5
Welcome to the forum Smitke!! |
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Post by Ganieda on Jun 16, 2005 14:31:04 GMT -5
where is this board everyone's talking about with the red hooded guy?
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