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Post by dinadan on Apr 1, 2005 9:23:49 GMT -5
Well, the Pontiff's health has taken a turn for the worst; it looks like he'll not last much longer. This is sad to me, despite the fact that I am not a Catholic, because John Paul II has been almost an institution in his own right for my entire life. The man's accomplishments are staggering; his role in ending the Cold War, his role in Polish freedom, his stance of concilliation between the Catholic Church and other Christian faiths as well as a Jews and Muslims--I think history is going to remember his as positively as it remembers Pious XII negatively. And I think it is fascinating how those two men have bracketed the 20th century--maybe that's more hopeful than anything else.
So, my prayers are with John Paul II.
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Post by twyrch on Apr 1, 2005 10:05:48 GMT -5
Well, the Pontiff's health has taken a turn for the worst; it looks like he'll not last much longer. This is sad to me, despite the fact that I am not a Catholic, because John Paul II has been almost an institution in his own right for my entire life. The man's accomplishments are staggering; his role in ending the Cold War, his role in Polish freedom, his stance of concilliation between the Catholic Church and other Christian faiths as well as a Jews and Muslims--I think history is going to remember his as positively as it remembers Pious XII negatively. And I think it is fascinating how those two men have bracketed the 20th century--maybe that's more hopeful than anything else. So, my prayers are with John Paul II. Yeah, I read about this on MSNBC . I'm not Catholic either, but he is a good Christian man and the world will mourn his passing. My prayers go out to him as well. |
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Post by Charis on Apr 2, 2005 15:11:44 GMT -5
He just died. Great man.  |
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Post by dinadan on Apr 2, 2005 16:23:37 GMT -5
Yes, I heard the news about an hour and a half ago. God be with all Catholics who mourn the loss of their great leader; and may God bless all Christendom--no, all people of the world--with granting a worthy successor to the throne of St. Peter.
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Post by Steltek on Apr 3, 2005 2:18:22 GMT -5
Indeed -- my prayer is that the Pontiff's succesor will be granted a double portion of the spirit that was with John Paul II, as it was with Elisha.
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Post by Hinata on Apr 3, 2005 9:39:52 GMT -5
I heard about it yesterday and what the First Presidency of the LDS church stated sums it up for me. . .
"SALT LAKE CITY — Following the death of Pope John Paul II, the First Presidency of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints issued the following statement:
“We join those throughout the world who mourn the passing of Pope John Paul II, an extraordinary man of faith, vision, and intellect,
whose courageous actions have touched the world in ways that will be felt for generations to come."
“The Pope’s voice remained firm in defense of freedom, family, and Christianity. On matters of principle and morality he was uncompromising.
On his compassion for the world's poor, he has been unwavering.”"
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Post by CynanMachae on Apr 5, 2005 10:01:27 GMT -5
I hate to be a wet blanket and I dont mean to rip into anyone here, but say this I must...
(note: my apologies to all Catholics in this forum)
I am a Reformed Baptist, so, though I am affected and somewhat moved by the Popes death, I believe that he-though not just he- is, was, leading millions of souls down what i consider to be the wrong road. The 1689 Westminster confession of faith, which is what most reformed baptists hold to, says that the Pope is the Anti-Christ, though since it was written around the time when the Catholic Church was corrupt, I'm not sure I agree with it.
Pope John Paul II was a great man, missed by all. I, however, more greatly mourn the loss of people like Terri Schaivio, and the thousands of babies slaughtered each day and who remind us that America is falling into the age of corruption and destruction.
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Post by twyrch on Apr 5, 2005 11:48:52 GMT -5
I hate to be a wet blanket and I dont mean to rip into anyone here, but say this I must... (note: my apologies to all Catholics in this forum) I am a Reformed Baptist, so, though I am affected and somewhat moved by the Popes death, I believe that he-though not just he- is, was, leading millions of souls down what i consider to be the wrong road. The 1689 Westminster confession of faith, which is what most reformed baptists hold to, says that the Pope is the Anti-Christ, though since it was written around the time when the Catholic Church was corrupt, I'm not sure I agree with it. Pope John Paul II was a great man, missed by all. I, however, more greatly mourn the loss of people like Terri Schaivio, and the thousands of babies slaughtered each day and who remind us that America is falling into the age of corruption and destruction. Well, everyone is entitled to their opinion and yours is no less valid than anyone elses.  He was a great man and I believe he did a lot of good for the world. Just as I mourned Mother Theresa's death, so I will mourn his. As Booky is fond is saying, Catholics are Christians too... Just a different branch. I think the world would be stronger if we put aside the 10% we don't agree on and focus on the 90% that we do. "It doesn't matter if you've been sprinkled or if you've been dunked. If you don't know Jesus, you just got wet." - Mark Lowry. |
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Post by CynanMachae on Apr 5, 2005 22:14:29 GMT -5
Well, everyone is entitled to their opinion and yours is no less valid than anyone elses. He was a great man and I believe he did a lot of good for the world. Just as I mourned Mother Theresa's death, so I will mourn his. As Booky is fond is saying, Catholics are Christians too... Just a different branch. I think the world would be stronger if we put aside the 10% we don't agree on and focus on the 90% that we do. "It doesn't matter if you've been sprinkled or if you've been dunked. If you don't know Jesus, you just got wet." - Mark Lowry. Well ya know like I said I wasn't trying to start a debate, and I know I'm in disagreement with most if not all on this forum... |
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Post by twyrch on Apr 6, 2005 8:30:25 GMT -5
Well ya know like I said I wasn't trying to start a debate, and I know I'm in disagreement with most if not all on this forum... Hey, that's cool man. Everyone has their own opinions and I respect your opinion. |
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Post by Lady Bookwyrm on Apr 6, 2005 17:20:28 GMT -5
Twyrch...you took the words out of my mouth...or typed them out of my fingers...whatever.
Yes, it is indeed sad. We are all anticipating who our new Pope will be. And for someone being on the "wrong path,"...well, let's just say I'm having a hell of a lot of fun doing it. Anti-Christ indeed...pshaw!
But I still think you are cool...inspite of the whole differing opinion thingy.
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Post by amodman on Apr 6, 2005 19:12:01 GMT -5
I'm a little with Cynan. Anyone who proclaims himself a direct link to God can't make himself right in my eyes. Sure, the guy was fine, but I'm too anti-Catholic to care.
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Post by Lady Bookwyrm on Apr 6, 2005 20:18:21 GMT -5
*retreats to a corner*
AIEEE!!! More Catholic bashing!
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Post by laurelin on Apr 6, 2005 20:45:47 GMT -5
well, I think I've said before that I don't put a lot of importance on denomination differences, so...
I think it's very sad for the Catholic world to lose John Paul. He's been a very influential leader, and a lot of people valued him and respected him. I also know he was very ill, and I rejoice that his illness is over. I don't know as much about him as some of you, so I will leave it at that.
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Post by CynanMachae on Apr 7, 2005 20:04:50 GMT -5
Anti-Christ indeed...pshaw! You misunderstand, Booky. I myself don't believe that the Pope is the Anti-Christ, at least it hasn't been proven that he is... |
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