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Post by Child of Immanuel on Apr 5, 2006 14:11:57 GMT -5
In Avalon, Embries tells Jame that "It [his name] wasn't [Arthur] the first time either." So what was Arthur's real name?
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Post by dgan on Apr 6, 2006 0:38:16 GMT -5
I pondered this as well. I assumed Merlin meant that Ygerna had no doubt chosen another name for him, but remember, did not give Merlin a name when he took him away. So I assume Merlin felt that 'Arthur' was the name given to him as the future leader of Britain, not the name given to the child of Ygerna. If that makes any sense...
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Post by Child of Immanuel on Apr 6, 2006 17:01:11 GMT -5
hmm... it seems sound, except for the fact that Merlin didn't think of him as the leader of Britain until his name was given (if my chronology is correct...)
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Post by dgan on Apr 7, 2006 1:55:33 GMT -5
Right. In Avalon, he would look back at what happened a thousand+ years ago and realize that in a moment of inspiration, he was given the name 'Arthur' for the future leader of Britain. He never learned what Ygerna had named him at birth, which she undoubtably would have.
That's why he says, 'It wasn't the first time either.'
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Post by Gwalchmai on Apr 9, 2006 21:46:01 GMT -5
I acctually thought Arthur was more of a title that he earned the overshadowed his real name in history. I think one translation comes out as "bear man" or something of that sort which is why Bedwyr refers to him as Bear and why in so many various legends his personal emblem is a bear... I think.
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Post by zoob on Jul 20, 2006 0:39:48 GMT -5
Arthur certainly is most likely related to "bear," although if it does indeed come from Artorius, the Latin name means something like "farmer" (if memory serves).
The idea that Arthur might be the name of state reminds me of the theory that the historical Romano-British warlord Riothimus might be Arthur, since Riothimus is believed to merely translate (very roughly) as High King.
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Post by Child of Immanuel on Jul 20, 2006 6:41:40 GMT -5
Artorius = agricola? Seems a little far-fetched to me.
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Post by zoob on Jul 20, 2006 14:33:19 GMT -5
No, Artorius and Agricola are separate names. Artorious refers to a specific type of farmer, again if memory serves.
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Post by Tegid on Jul 20, 2006 23:03:00 GMT -5
I think 'plowman' might be the word you are looking for.
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