amodman
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Mar 4, 2005 19:18:29 GMT -5
Post by amodman on Mar 4, 2005 19:18:29 GMT -5
I wholeheartedly agree--PoA really suffered from insane directing; story was cut so that we could get more shots of the moving innards of the giant clock. Oh, and don't even get me started on how the Hogwarts grounds are completely different from the first two movies. Oh, and I forgot, I liked PoA's set more too *shrugs*.
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Mar 5, 2005 15:13:23 GMT -5
Post by dinadan on Mar 5, 2005 15:13:23 GMT -5
Oh, and I forgot, I liked PoA's set more too *shrugs*. I may have liked the re-designed Hogwarts, but somethng is lost when a movie series abandons consistency--even when the level it is striving to be consistent at is poor. Look at how bad the Star Wars prequels are suffering from this same kind of set/prop inconsistency. The horrible new Star Trek show, Enterprise, is in this same boat. Once there has been establishment of a style of things in a series, the people in charge owe it to themselves to maintain that style consistently. I won't even get started on the new, 21st Century Warner Brother's characters (the ninja-like Bugs Bunny makes me cry). Oh, and, the next time you watch them, notice that in CoS, the Whomping Willow is inside the castle's walls, while in PoA it is outside them.
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Mar 5, 2005 21:22:32 GMT -5
Post by twyrch on Mar 5, 2005 21:22:32 GMT -5
I may have liked the re-designed Hogwarts, but somethng is lost when a movie series abandons consistency--even when the level it is striving to be consistent at is poor. Look at how bad the Star Wars prequels are suffering from this same kind of set/prop inconsistency. The horrible new Star Trek show, Enterprise, is in this same boat. Once there has been establishment of a style of things in a series, the people in charge owe it to themselves to maintain that style consistently. I won't even get started on the new, 21st Century Warner Brother's characters (the ninja-like Bugs Bunny makes me cry). Oh, and, the next time you watch them, notice that in CoS, the Whomping Willow is inside the castle's walls, while in PoA it is outside them. So those little things bug you too, eh? I bet you count bullets in a fight scene too, huh... I know I do. I hate inconsistancy.
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amodman
Mabinog
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The Nightcrawler
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Post by amodman on Mar 6, 2005 3:33:59 GMT -5
I didn't much care, though, since I didn't even like the first movie. The second one I enjoyed well enough, but I was happier with the re-designed set to screw consistency. Besides, me and my friends laughed our @$$'s off at those two scenes where the willow ate the birds and I replied each time, "And the tree...just...ate...the bird..." I don't know why, it was just hilarious.
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Post by dinadan on Mar 6, 2005 8:54:25 GMT -5
The redesigned set is lovely--I do prefer it (although I'm not sure, but I don't recall any mention of standing stones on Hogwarts grounds...); however, when the two previous movies have an established location, changing it suddenly does a lot to damage a franchise.
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Post by twyrch on Mar 8, 2005 9:04:59 GMT -5
Besides, me and my friends laughed our @$$'s off at those two scenes where the willow ate the birds and I replied each time, "And the tree...just... ate...the bird..." I don't know why, it was just hilarious. LOL! I never thought of it like that.... hehehe
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Mar 10, 2005 13:35:14 GMT -5
Post by laurelin on Mar 10, 2005 13:35:14 GMT -5
You know, the first time I saw PoA, I was really disappointed in it. I felt like it betrayed the other two movies; even the music was nothing like the first two. But I saw it a couple more times (I had my reasons) and once I wasn't caught off guard by the differences, I really, really loved it. It has such beautiful cinematography, and although there are still a couple scenes I dislike, on the whole it's now my favorite of the three. It is very beautiful, and very well-done. I still have a problem with the fact they ignored way too much of the background, and those horrific shrunken heads (wtf?) but mostly, I love PoA. (By the way, there are things I dislike about the first two as well) If he'd just tried to copy Columbus's style, I think it would have been a disaster. Dumbledore had to change, and he's a defining figure. This book is also a lot darker, and needed different style to transfer that mood to the screen. (Personally, I much preferred the new willow, since it actually looks like a living tree.) Granted, it wasn't necessary to move the set, change the castle and redesign the robes, but Alfonso CuarĂ³n deserved to have license to use his own style. Rowling said this movie's her favorite so far
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Mar 15, 2005 11:40:15 GMT -5
Post by twyrch on Mar 15, 2005 11:40:15 GMT -5
Rowling said this movie's her favorite so far I'm just assuming that like her books, the movies will get better over time as well. ;D
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Mar 16, 2005 18:17:06 GMT -5
Post by CynanMachae on Mar 16, 2005 18:17:06 GMT -5
Okay here's my problem with making Albion movies.
you guys have been talking about what actors you would like, and thats okay. But if anyone was serious about a movie, they'd realize that acting is only a small part...
heres the trouble... with Albion being so action-packed, in modern tradition, I cant really think of a section that could be cut out to shorten it. (I think we all agree that if nothing was cut out, these movies would be 5 hours each) where Tolkiens books had chapters like Tom Bombadil, and The houses of healing, that can be cut to save time, Albion has no boring parts. and thats okay for books, but it makes a looooong movie. Will someone please enlighten me as to which scenes would be best cut to shorten?
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Mar 16, 2005 19:38:26 GMT -5
Post by Riothamus on Mar 16, 2005 19:38:26 GMT -5
The entire opening to "The Paradise War," for one; The movie could open with Lewis standing trapped in the sidewalk-knot, and the first few chapters could be backstory. Deimos, too, could be cut. The sojourn at Ynys Sci would definitely be handled in montage. The story of Nudd and his brother would be cut to a line or so. The rest would just be tightened considerably. (That's just on the first book--I'm not sure about the next two.)
[And in re:Tolkien--just a pet peeve, but the houses of healing definitely should not have been cut, and definitely should have been handled differently in the EE. It's central to Aragorn's position as Christ-Type. Not that Jackson ever understood Aragorn, anyway....]
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Mar 17, 2005 8:23:38 GMT -5
Post by twyrch on Mar 17, 2005 8:23:38 GMT -5
The entire opening to "The Paradise War," for one; The movie could open with Lewis standing trapped in the sidewalk-knot, and the first few chapters could be backstory. Deimos, too, could be cut. The sojourn at Ynys Sci would definitely be handled in montage. The story of Nudd and his brother would be cut to a line or so. The rest would just be tightened considerably. (That's just on the first book--I'm not sure about the next two.) [And in re:Tolkien--just a pet peeve, but the houses of healing definitely should not have been cut, and definitely should have been handled differently in the EE. It's central to Aragorn's position as Christ-Type. Not that Jackson ever understood Aragorn, anyway....] I agree. There are places that can be tightened a bit. Tegid tells many stories which takes a whole chapter. Think about the LOTR movies when they do flashbacks to the history of the One Ring. In the first 5 minutes of FotR, they knocked out Half of the Silmarillion by fast-paced scenes and naration. I think it could be done if it kept to the "spirit" of the books. I mean, seriously, for the most part the movie is a poor interpretation of the book anyway. Look at the Never Ending Story. They cut half the book to make the first movie, but the movie was still good. But the book was AWESOME. It'd take some work, but with the right talent, I'm sure it could be done.
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Mar 17, 2005 8:41:44 GMT -5
Post by Riothamus on Mar 17, 2005 8:41:44 GMT -5
...And when they tried to make the second half they royally messed it up....
Great, now you've made me want to read the book again.... ;D
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Mar 17, 2005 23:34:36 GMT -5
Post by laurelin on Mar 17, 2005 23:34:36 GMT -5
One of my favorite parts, and the reason I will never watch the original. They at least did it some service in the extended.
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Mar 18, 2005 10:51:04 GMT -5
Post by twyrch on Mar 18, 2005 10:51:04 GMT -5
...And when they tried to make the second half they royally messed it up.... Great, now you've made me want to read the book again.... ;D Oh I know! Don't even get me started on the second and third movies... OMG!!! I refused to watch the third and my wife found out how venomously I hated the second when I refused to buy from the $5 bin at Walmart. ;D
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Mar 18, 2005 12:50:54 GMT -5
Post by CynanMachae on Mar 18, 2005 12:50:54 GMT -5
One of my favorite parts, and the reason I will never watch the original. They at least did it some service in the extended. Oh, definently, the houses of healing was a great part, but looking at the total length of RoTK, even the original version, you've gotta cut something.... especially with Shelobs lair in there. another part I was dissapointed with was Treebeard. In the books, I loved the chapters with him, Merry, and Pippen. In the movie, however, his part sucked.
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