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Post by karenee on Jun 11, 2005 10:46:21 GMT -5
LOL Let me guess...They have a holiday? I am sooooo not ever going to get that detailed. I read through the index every second time I read the book, and count that as adequate.
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Post by dinadan on Jun 11, 2005 11:02:19 GMT -5
I'm really making friends tonight, I can tell ... What do you mean "getting closer." OR, I suppose, you could try to get really technical, and count back from Lithe, which is the Midsummer day, which for us is June 21. Since we're 11 days away from that, that would put us at Trewsdei [sic - Tegid], 21st of Forlithe. Now, that would have been correct (but, either Trewsday or Trewesdei) if we go by the intended, but alternate, way of equating the years, which Tolkien mentions in passing and then never uses himself. But! Since you already started the usual reckoning, may I hold your be-flu'd feet to the fire? (Get well soon!) There is one small detail missing in this reckoning. One eensy teensy detail ... Aha...it really should be 10th Forelithe. I had forgotten that the hobbits started the first day of the year as 2 Yule (rather than 1 Afteryule).
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Post by Tegid on Jun 11, 2005 17:35:45 GMT -5
LOL Let me guess...They have a holiday? Yes, there's a holiday throwing things off here. So, what are we going to do about Tolkien-nerds like dinadan being entered in this competition? Do we just resign ourselves to letting him win every other question (the ones he doesn't ask)?
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Post by Tegid on Jun 11, 2005 17:39:14 GMT -5
Aha...it really should be 10th Forelithe. I had forgotten that the hobbits started the first day of the year as 2 Yule (rather than 1 Afteryule). Ta-dah! Our Januarys (Januaries?) and theirs are totally out of whack by a day because of this, while we line up throughout our common February days. And as a check, you can also reckon from Tolkien's statement that their March 25 (the fall of Barad Dur) is our March 27. (Tolkien helpfully tells us this momentous tale happened in a non-leap year.) But now finish it! You originally said that some fictitious 11th of Lithe was Highdei. What day of the week is the 10th of Forelithe?
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Post by dinadan on Jun 11, 2005 20:53:07 GMT -5
Sterrendei.
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Post by Tegid on Jun 11, 2005 20:57:07 GMT -5
*cries*
No
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Post by dinadan on Jun 11, 2005 21:19:40 GMT -5
My mistake. It's Highdei.
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Post by Tegid on Jun 11, 2005 21:22:25 GMT -5
*waves of relief* Yes!
Please don't kill us, now that it's your turn!
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Post by dinadan on Jun 11, 2005 21:39:16 GMT -5
*waves of relief* Yes! Please don't kill us, now that it's your turn! **does his mad cackle** Oh yes, my preciousses, we shall see now, oh yes we shall, who is capable of answering the next question. Elrond (and his children) are referred to in the books as Peredhil, meaning Half-Elven. This is, strictly speaking, not true. How much of Elrond's heritage is Elven? For bonus points, what's the breakdown on his total bloodline? **If this stretches out too long, I'll post a chart as a hint**
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Post by Tegid on Jun 11, 2005 21:48:00 GMT -5
Lessee --
Elrond's dad, Earendil, is the son is Idril (completely elven) and Tuor (completely human), so Earendil is half-elven himself.
Elrond's mom, Elwing, is the daughter of Dior and Nimloth. Nimloth is completely elven, while Dior is the son of the elven Luthien and the human Beren. That makes Dior half-elven, and so Elwing is three-fourths elven.
So altogether Elrond is really five-eighths elven, but that wouldn't sound too poetic.
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Post by dinadan on Jun 11, 2005 21:51:26 GMT -5
Lessee -- Elrond's dad, Earendil, is the son is Idril (completely elven) and Tuor (completely human), so Earendil is half-elven himself. Elrond's mom, Elwing, is the daughter of Dior and Nimloth. Nimloth is completely elven, while Dior is the son of the elven Luthien and the human Beren. That makes Dior half-elven, and so Elwing is three-fourths elven. So altogether Elrond is really five-eighths elven, but that wouldn't sound too poetic. I'm sorry, but that's not the correct answer, my friend.
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Post by Tegid on Jun 11, 2005 21:53:36 GMT -5
Oh, that's right, I gotta go back and rethink Luthien. brb.
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Post by Tegid on Jun 11, 2005 22:05:38 GMT -5
Elrond's dad, Earendil, is the son is Idril (completely elven) and Tuor (completely human), so Earendil is half-elven, half-human himself.
Elrond's mom, Elwing, is the daughter of Dior and Nimloth. Nimloth is completely elven, while Dior is the son of the half-elven Luthien and the human Beren. Luthien is half-elven, because her mom, Melian, is a Maia, not an elf. Trying to sort this out, Dior is half-human, one-fourth-elven, and one-fourth-Maia. Nimloth being elven, that makes Elwing five-eighths-elven, one-quarter human, and one-eighth Maia
So altogether Elrond is nine-sixteenths elven, three-eighths human, and one-sixteenth Maia.
Maybe.
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Post by dinadan on Jun 11, 2005 22:39:43 GMT -5
Elrond's dad, Earendil, is the son is Idril (completely elven) and Tuor (completely human), so Earendil is half-elven, half-human himself. Elrond's mom, Elwing, is the daughter of Dior and Nimloth. Nimloth is completely elven, while Dior is the son of the half-elven Luthien and the human Beren. Luthien is half-elven, because her mom, Melian, is a Maia, not an elf. Trying to sort this out, Dior is half-human, one-fourth-elven, and one-fourth-Maia. Nimloth being elven, that makes Elwing five-eighths-elven, one-quarter human, and one-eighth Maia So altogether Elrond is nine-sixteenths elven, three-eighths human, and one-sixteenth Maia. Maybe. That is the correct figure. I don't suppose you'd like to try to figure out Eldarion (Aragorn and Arwen's son...although I doubt you could, but guesswork might be possible)? You're turn again.
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Post by Tegid on Jun 11, 2005 23:05:04 GMT -5
*I should wait until dinadan gets offline for the night, to give someone else a chance. But I have to go home in a few minutes*
Who was the first king of Gondor to befriend a king of Rohan, who was that king of Rohan, and what was the beginning, earliest, root cause of that friendship?
Look, somebody else can answer this, y'know. Or I just know that dinadan is kindhearted enough to willingly stand aside and give someone else time and a chance. (And I know I can flap my arms and fly to the moon.)
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