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Post by dinadan on Jun 9, 2005 17:52:23 GMT -5
Danken Sie. This one is a Video Jeopardy clue (sort of). Whose emblem is this:
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Post by cree8ivone on Jun 10, 2005 7:58:09 GMT -5
the Eldar?
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Post by dinadan on Jun 10, 2005 10:41:20 GMT -5
That's broadly correct, but I'm looking for more of a personal or a House name (either will work).
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Post by Tegid on Jun 10, 2005 13:15:10 GMT -5
*Thurs afternoon: knows where it might be found. stuck here till midnight. wonders what edition of the agreed-upon books dinadan has*
*1 am: ah! that's it! he has THAT book? and he expects others to? maybe he has the old calendar*
*Fri noon: gets back to the computer. maybe someday will have connected computer at home*
Feanor
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Post by Dred on Jun 10, 2005 13:56:26 GMT -5
Which book are you finding that image in? I haven't seen it before. I'll ask you to wait until the answer is given before you tell me. I'm really curious.
Thanks
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Post by dinadan on Jun 10, 2005 14:28:08 GMT -5
Points go to Tegid. It is, indeed, the sigil of the House of Fëanor.
Also, as to your question, I don't have the old collected edition of LotR and Sil that have them on it, nor the old calendar. I am, however, a giant fan, and so happen to know all kinds of quirky things (like the heraldry of the great Elven Houses and of the Edain). I figured someone else was bound to be a big enough fan to know that too.
Just be glad I didn't stick you with some really obscure one, like Eöl.
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Post by Tegid on Jun 10, 2005 18:04:01 GMT -5
What gets you the umlauts, din?
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Post by dinadan on Jun 10, 2005 18:22:41 GMT -5
What gets you the umlauts, din? the ë is produced by holding down that ALT key and typing 0235 on the number pad. You can look up the character you want with the Character Map in Windows and find the number key for any character you want.
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Post by Tegid on Jun 10, 2005 19:00:15 GMT -5
Good grief, what do I ask that gives others a ghost of a chance, with dinadan around? Maybe I should ask two questions, one if you're dinadan, and the other if you're not? Anyway ... Today is Friday, June 10. What day and date (without year, of course) do the Shire folk say it is?
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Post by dinadan on Jun 10, 2005 19:17:19 GMT -5
Good grief, what do I ask that gives others a ghost of a chance, with dinadan around? Maybe I should ask two questions, one if you're dinadan, and the other if you're not? Anyway ... Today is Friday, June 10. What day and date (without year, of course) do the Shire folk say it is? Well, according to the hobbits (and I'm assuming that we're using the reformed Shire calendar here), it's Highdei, the 11th of Lithe. Although, that's just an educated guess, because, as you know, the hobbits (in the reform calendar) stopped giving week-day names to Midsummer and their leap year day, which we would never think of doing. So, it really might not be Highdei (Friday) to us at all... This is only slightly less confusing than the various Elven calendars, which trying to figure out might drive me insane.
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Post by Tegid on Jun 10, 2005 21:22:50 GMT -5
(*goes back and rereads VERY carefully before responding.*)
I'm not seeing that this is correct. In the books to which we are supposed to be confined, I'm not even seeing that there is an entire month by that name.
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Post by dinadan on Jun 10, 2005 21:41:46 GMT -5
(*goes back and rereads VERY carefully before responding.*) I'm not seeing that this is correct. In the books to which we are supposed to be confined, I'm not even seeing that there is an entire month by that name. Well, Appendix D of The Lord of the Rings says that the useage of Lithe is confined to Bree, so I'll hand you that. If I had bothered to double check Appenddix D before responding, I'd have realized that the "official" name of the sixth month is Forelithe.
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Post by Tegid on Jun 10, 2005 21:51:38 GMT -5
You're getting closer . . .
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Post by dinadan on Jun 10, 2005 22:07:39 GMT -5
What do you mean "getting closer."
Each hobbit month has thirty days. Since today is June the 10th, that means there's been 161 days since the beginning of the year. The first six months of the Shire calendar areL Afteryule, Solmath, Rethe, Astron, Thrimidge, and Forelithe. That puts us at the 11th day of Forelithe.
OR, I suppose, you could try to get really technical, and count back from Lithe, which is the Midsummer day, which for us is June 21. Since we're 11 days away from that, that would put us at Trewsdei, 21st of Forlithe.
Either of these methods of conversion is "right" so far as it goes...like I said, the system changed in such a way that without knowing the intervening number of years (and taking into accout the Overlithe days) we can't be sure.
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Post by Tegid on Jun 10, 2005 22:25:47 GMT -5
I'm really making friends tonight, I can tell ... What do you mean "getting closer." OR, I suppose, you could try to get really technical, and count back from Lithe, which is the Midsummer day, which for us is June 21. Since we're 11 days away from that, that would put us at Trewsdei [sic - Tegid], 21st of Forlithe. Now, that would have been correct (but, either Trewsday or Trewesdei) if we go by the intended, but alternate, way of equating the years, which Tolkien mentions in passing and then never uses himself. But! Since you already started the usual reckoning, may I hold your be-flu'd feet to the fire? (Get well soon!) There is one small detail missing in this reckoning. One eensy teensy detail ...
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